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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 28 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1598<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills & misc <BR>
Re: T<N> Chow<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1578<BR>
re:  Common Law<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
Re: free trader<BR>
Re: random acts of sitcom<BR>
Re: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
Re Deckplans<BR>
Re: About TNE-RCES list <BR>
Re: random acts of sitcom <BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:50:06 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills & misc <BR>
<BR>
>Next topic: Traveller Artists<BR>
>>Can we have some ethnically diverse GUYS in sexy outfits please?<BR>
<snippage> I'll go for the sexy skintight leotard, ........<BR>
><BR>
>Shuddering Thought:   Norris in a sexy skintight leotard.<BR>
><BR>
That wasn't what I had in mind.<BR>
<BR>
>Dan Roseberry (plop101)  No, I don't think you want to see me in a sexy<BR>
skintight leotard either.<BR>
><BR>
Probably not. I was just thinking that I find it annoying that male<BR>
NPCs/filler art are always average looking and almost always white whereas<BR>
most females in the average SF universe appear to be from the planet of<BR>
Barbie Cheesecake.<BR>
<BR>
I would like to see some good looking men and I would like it if more than<BR>
one was black and I would especially pretty pretty pretty pretty please like<BR>
it if any of them were Asian.  And I would like it if there were more<BR>
attractive body types other than hugely muscular.  Slender is nice on men<BR>
too.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan      93!      Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside of everyone, is<BR>
sacred somewhere.  There's<BR>
a deity out there who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest side,<BR>
disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.  It's all about giving<BR>
yourself permission."<BR>
                                -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:51:14 -0800<BR>
From: "Kelly St.Clair" <kellys@efn.org><BR>
Subject: Re: T<N> Chow<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:49:36, "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
<BR>
>No splort, but a major groan from the victim of the Peruvian Death Flu.<BR>
<BR>
So is THAT where this latest batch come from?<BR>
<BR>
My sympathies, friend.  I was in your shoes last week, when (in the middle<BR>
of the night) my body decided to have an unscheduled test of the [EMER GAST<BR>
PURG] system...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
(Is it me, or have the TML topics of late been more than usually disgusting?)<BR>
<BR>
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Kelly St.Clair   "The Jigglypuff's trilling seems to have a <BR>
kellys@efn.org    tranquilizing effect on the human nervous system.<BR>
                  Fortunately, I am... immune..."<BR>
                            -- Mr. Spock, THE TROUBLE WITH POKEMON<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:53:02 +1000<BR>
From: dadams@parracity.nsw.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1578<BR>
<BR>
Not to get into any p*ssing contests, but :<BR>
<BR>
>>><BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Dear Folks -<BR>
><BR>
> Thomas wrote:<BR>
>>Just a note. Cattle ranches here in Texas used to measured in RI's.<BR>
><BR>
> The Aussie one I heard was the Texan bragging about his 800-acre property,<BR>
> and<BR>
> asking the Aussie how big his farm was:<BR>
> Central Aussie farmer: "One hundred..."<BR>
> Texan, interrupting: "Only one hundred?"<BR>
> Aussie farmer: ".. square miles".<BR>
<BR>
There are Texans who'd sneer at that. Try the King(?) Ranch in Texas.<BR>
<<<<BR>
<BR>
There are cattle stations in the outback that are larger than England.<BR>
Admitidly, these are pasteral leases and thus can be challanged for native<BR>
title, but the actual sizes are so large that flight is the only way to go from<BR>
one side of the station to the other.<BR>
<BR>
Darryl<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:01:03 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: re:  Common Law<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Lyle Youngblood" <lyley@gte.net><BR>
<BR>
This is likely to get completely off-topic.<BR>
<BR>
>    Actually, Jason, you're off the mark on the <BR>
>Common Law statement as well.  The Federal government<BR>
<BR>
>and the majority of the individual states (there are <BR>
>some exceptions, New York I believe is one) are <BR>
>governed solely by statutory law.  Common Law has NO <BR>
>standing in US, or most state, courts.  <BR>
<BR>
Sorry, your last sentence is just plain wrong.  The<BR>
common law is alive and well in the various states,<BR>
although some have more a more complete statutory<BR>
scheme than others (like California, where I<BR>
practice).  Louisiana alone among the states does not<BR>
have a common law tradition.  There is even a body of<BR>
federal common law, although it is quite small in<BR>
scope compared to that of the states.  <BR>
<BR>
>Locally, we just went 'round and 'round on this one a<BR>
<BR>
>bit back with the local fundies who tried to overturn<BR>
<BR>
>a local ordinance prohibiting discrimination based on<BR>
<BR>
>sexual preference because sodomy was against the <BR>
>Common Law, despite the fact that Indiana is a <BR>
>statutory law state and our last anti-sodomy law was <BR>
>struck down by the State Supreme Court as un-<BR>
>constitutional and never replaced 20+ years ago.<BR>
<BR>
In every state, statutes govern the criminal law, for<BR>
obvious due process reasons.  The laws governing<BR>
torts, contracts, and conflict of laws are typically<BR>
left to common law processes.  <BR>
<BR>
>    ObTrav: The difference between statutory law and <BR>
<BR>
The law of the system you're travelling to is<BR>
something to consider.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:31:26 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Jory Earl wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>> > Another disgusting thought... you know, if you have ever had both cats<BR>
>> > and dogs at the same time, that some dogs will eat cat sh*t...  I wonder<BR>
>> > if Vargr will eat that.  Do they consider it a delicacy?  Can you imagine<BR>
>> > being a Free Trader and taking a "load" of this substance to a Vargr<BR>
>> > world?   Can you imagine being at a diplomatic event and finding out WHAT<BR>
>> > that stuff on the party tray actually is?<BR>
>> ><BR>
>> Now you know why "Almond Roca" is considered a delicacy by many Vargr, who<BR>
>> prefer it served in a tray of loose gravel.<BR>
>> <BR>
> Ew, I will never be able to look at that stuff the same way again!  <BR>
><BR>
> Actually a friend of mine sent me a recipe for a litter box cake. It's<BR>
> supposed to look like a cat's litter box and you are supposed to decorate<BR>
> the top with Tootsie Rolls.  EW!!!<BR>
<BR>
Here's a variation:<BR>
<BR>
Litterbox Cookies<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
  Amount  Measure       Ingredient -- Preparation Method<BR>
- --------  ------------  --------------------------------<BR>
                        Chocolate ingredients:<BR>
     1/2  cup           honey<BR>
     2/3  cup           (1 and 1/3 stick) butter or<BR>
                         margarine<BR>
   1                    egg<BR>
   1      tsp           vanilla -- or peppermint<BR>
                         extract<BR>
   2      cups          whole wheat flour<BR>
     1/3  cup           cocoa powder<BR>
                        grape-nuts(tm) cereal<BR>
                        Gingerbread ingredients:<BR>
     1/4  cup           honey<BR>
     1/4  cup           molasses<BR>
     2/3  cup           (1 and 1/3 stick) butter or margerine<BR>
   1                    egg<BR>
   7      cups          whole wheat flour<BR>
                        spices-ginger, cinnamon, cloves to<BR>
                         taste(maybe 1/2 tsp each)<BR>
<BR>
                        Mix-ins:<BR>
                        coconut<BR>
                        chocolate chips<BR>
                        butterscotch chips<BR>
                        peanut butter chips<BR>
<BR>
To make:<BR>
Microwave the honey till it bubbles(about 1 minute). add the butter, and<BR>
the molasses, if any.  Add the egg, mix well, then mix in all the other<BR>
stuff. Add mix-ins of your choice to some or all of the batter.<BR>
<BR>
Chill 1 hour in the freezer or several hours in the fridge.  Roll dough<BR>
logs of random length and the diameter of cat poops.  Roll logs in grape-<BR>
nuts and bake at 350 degrees till done (10 to 15 minutes).<BR>
<BR>
Serve in a disposable cat litter box on a bed of Grapenuts, with a cat<BR>
litter scoop.  I hear you get lovely effects by decorating the box and<BR>
scoop with melted chocolate or pudding.<BR>
<BR>
This recipe worked especially well at the Halloween party where the table<BR>
was already decorated with plastic flies<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
                   - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<BR>
<BR>
NOTES : There are two flavors-chocolate, and gingerbread.<BR>
       The cookies are dense and not very sweet, this is necesssary<BR>
       so that they will keep their shape during baking.  If you use white<BR>
       flour or sugar they may be tastier but they won't look like shit.<BR>
<BR>
> I still remember a dessert I was once served long long ago.  It was some<BR>
> kind of chocolate cake mixed with pudding and it looked like dirt but it<BR>
> tasted wonderful.  My friend put gummy worms in it.<BR>
<BR>
I've got that recipe around here somewhere too.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:38:15 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
>> I still remember a dessert I was once served long long ago.  It was some<BR>
>> kind of chocolate cake mixed with pudding and it looked like dirt but it<BR>
>> tasted wonderful.  My friend put gummy worms in it.<BR>
<BR>
Here you go!<BR>
- -------------------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
> "Then of course for dessert you could serve the dish I read about a<BR>
> long time ago over on rec.pets.cats:" replies John the Wysard.<BR>
><BR>
> Take a brand-new, clean plastic litterbox.<BR>
> Fill with Grape-Nuts cereal; dust liberally with confectioner's sugar<BR>
> dyed grey with black food coloring.<BR>
> Make a batch of chocolate fudge; roll into round-ended cylenders ca. 1<BR>
> cm in diameter, 4 cm long. Put these into the cereal.<BR>
><BR>
> Serve and see who partakes and who doesn't....<BR>
<BR>
  Oh, that's nasty.  That's worse than serving little Girl Scouts "Dirt".<BR>
<BR>
Crumble up 1 package Oreo (or cheap imitation) cookies.<BR>
Make up 1 large package instant chocolate pudding.<BR>
Mix 2/3 cookie crumbs into pudding.<BR>
Place in a childs beach pail.<BR>
Sprinkle remaining crumbs on top.<BR>
Stick plastic flowers in the top.<BR>
<BR>
If I'm serving to children I get the "Gummy worms" and mix them in before I<BR>
put it in the pail.  But I've found most adults don't like them.<BR>
If you want it to look like grass on top the dirt just color shreded coconut<BR>
with green food coloring and sprinkle on top instead of cookie crumbs.<BR>
<BR>
Sandygypsy doing her "mom" thing.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:47:11 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> On 12/28/99 at 12:44 PM,  "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com> said:<BR>
><BR>
>>> > Purina Monkey Chow is readily edible by humans.<BR>
><BR>
>>> Yeah, but would anyone ever willingly eat it TWICE?<BR>
><BR>
>>It isn't too bad.  It tastes a bit like very, very dry granola.  Mind<BR>
>>you, one wouldn't *want* to attempt to survive on it, but with a supply<BR>
>>of clean water, I believe one could.<BR>
><BR>
> Hum, I would think you might want to hydrate it in a bit of that water.<BR>
><BR>
> IMTU, the standard ration is called an Instaheat.  It is basically<BR>
> an MRE with built in heating and cooling, pull the tab and it heats<BR>
> your entre and cools your desert, or vice versa.  Some are good,<BR>
> some are passable, some you fost off on the unsuspecting, but that's<BR>
> a matter of taste.  <g> OTHO, it *does* make sense to have a bulk<BR>
> survival ration...humani chow, if you will.  My players will thank<BR>
> you. <g><BR>
<BR>
By, say, TL 10 or 11 it ought to be possible to build a "food<BR>
synthesizer".<BR>
<BR>
Essentially, you feed it random organic "stuff" and it produces "people<BR>
chow". It'll have trace element and viatmin reserviors, but will only<BR>
use them if needed. And it'll have a display that indicates if whatever<BR>
you've fed it has such things, and at what levels. It can "recharge"<BR>
from such, though there's some wastage. <BR>
<BR>
Definitely "survival gear". And probably large enough that it'd only<BR>
be in a ship's boat that was equipped to double as a lifeboat.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:59:11 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>>Actually Eris has inflicted^h^h^h^h treated us to several of these<BR>
>>already. This will only give him ideas. <sigh> maybe if we rip out all<BR>
>>the passenger cabins and replace them with cargo hold...;-)<BR>
><BR>
> Then I'll just use "101 Cargos" to plague you. <g><BR>
><BR>
> Eris<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
                                  /\<BR>
                                /    \<BR>
                              /        \<BR>
                            /            \<BR>
                          /                \<BR>
                        /         *          \<BR>
                      /         * *            \<BR>
                    /         *   *              \<BR>
                  /         *     *                \<BR>
                /\         *************            /\<BR>
              /    \              *               /    \<BR>
            /        \            *             /        \<BR>
          /            \          *           /            \<BR>
        /                \                  /                \<BR>
      /           *        \              /        *           \<BR>
    /           * *          \          /        * *             \<BR>
  /           *   *            \      /        *   *               \<BR>
/           *     *              \  /        *     *                 \<BR>
\          *************          /\        *************            /<BR>
  \               *             /    \             *               /<BR>
    \             *           /        \           *             /<BR>
      \           *         /            \         *           /<BR>
        \                 /                \                 /<BR>
          \             /    <explosive>     \             /<BR>
            \         /                        \         /<BR>
              \     /                            \     /<BR>
                \ /                                \ /<BR>
                  \ <corrosive>      <biohazard>   /<BR>
                    \                            /<BR>
                      \                        /<BR>
                        \     <radiation>    /<BR>
                          \                /<BR>
                            \            /<BR>
                              \        /<BR>
                                \    /<BR>
                                  \/<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
How's that for a cargo? <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:25:38 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
Actually, if memory servers, I had heard Bo Derek had a scene with an ape in<BR>
the movie Tarzan, but ERB's family protested so vehemently that it was<BR>
removed.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Richard Wilson" <rtwilson@rollanet.org><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 8:04 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Ethnic confusion<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> At 03:27 PM 12/28/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
> >On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> >> Kiri wrote:<BR>
> >><BR>
> >> > On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Robert Prior wrote:<BR>
> >> ><BR>
> >> >> >Also, keep in mind that after 2-3 *million* years of (genetic)<BR>
> ><BR>
> >A male human might be in danger from a female chimp.  I wonder if a male<BR>
> >chimp would respond to a female human.  Not that any female human I can<BR>
> >think of would want to, but then again there is some really weird porn<BR>
out<BR>
> >there.  I would think if the scent were right and she presented herself a<BR>
> >male chimp might go after a female human.<BR>
> ><BR>
><BR>
> There is one recorded case of a woman being raped by an orangutan.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> Richard Wilson<BR>
><BR>
> rtwilson@rollanet.org<BR>
><BR>
> ========================================================================<BR>
> Humanity is not something we should aspire to. It is something we should<BR>
> strive to overcome.<BR>
> ========================================================================<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:29:06 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
<BR>
>>> I knew what a ford was, but if you asked me what the Ford in stream<BR>
>>>was I might answer differently. And listen, I've hiked lots, read lots of<BR>
>>> fantasy (looked at maps a dallas) and I still don't know what a knoll<BR>
>>>is.<BR>
<BR>
It's a small hill. Basically a rise in the terrain.<BR>
<BR>
A Gnoll is the evil critter. I like the "Grassy Gnoll"... I think I'll<BR>
steal that one for my DL5A game.... Supposedly a dog-headed hominid. I<BR>
prefer to think of them as uplifted Hyenas....<BR>
<BR>
Hmmm... the Uplifted hyena, cunning, but otherwise none too bright. And<BR>
they laugh at anything... The #1 hidden embarrasment of Solomani Genetic<BR>
Research...<BR>
<BR>
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interface!"<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:36:10 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: free trader<BR>
<BR>
>>    I knew the grid is 1.5m x 1.5m in MegaTraveller and Classic Traveller<BR>
>>but I was wrong about the volume, it's 9m  or 4 x 1.5m according to<BR>
>>Traders & Gunboats!<BR>
><BR>
>Nope, you have to look at *volume* not square meterage.  MT/CT used<BR>
>13.5 cubic meters per dton.<BR>
>If you use a 1.5 x 1.5 x 3 you get 6.75 m3.  Two of those equals<BR>
>1.35 m3, and you have your dton. So, each 1.5 m2 square is 1/2 dton.<BR>
>Eris<BR>
<BR>
    You'd think I'd know that, I computer areas for a living! Hey! It's<BR>
Christmas, my brain is turned off until the 4th!<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:36:48 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: random acts of sitcom<BR>
<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Worst and most vicious of all are the big hyena-like critters with <BR>
>plant like protusions growing out of their shoulder blades and <BR>
>cranium...<BR>
> <BR>
> yes...<BR>
> <BR>
> the justfiably dreaded Grassy Gnoll...<BR>
<BR>
Good one, I hadn't thought of the implications of my pun! ;)<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:41:37 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
<BR>
>Hmmm... the Uplifted hyena, cunning, but otherwise none too bright. And<BR>
>they laugh at anything... The #1 hidden embarrasment of Solomani Genetic<BR>
>Research...<BR>
>William F. Hostman<BR>
<BR>
    I've always liked the Hyenas, mean critters. They out mass every other<BR>
predator in Africa apart from a male lion and are quite capable of taking<BR>
out lions if required. An interesting Traveller species:<BR>
(Hyenati Corsair Pilot) "Captain, a big fat trader is on the screen."<BR>
(Hyenati Corsair Captain) "*Yawn* Wait until the Vargr attack it and then<BR>
we'll pick up the scrap. I'm off for a nap. If the Vargr attack Us, wake me<BR>
and we'll hit 'em with the spinal mount."<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:51:44 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Deckplans<BR>
<BR>
>>Actually, now I think about it I'm sure it varied between rulesets. The TNE<BR>
>>disp-ton was 14m3, the volume of 1 metric tonne of liquid hydrogen, but I<BR>
>>think the value used in CT and TNE was different. (Although I don't think<BR>
>it<BR>
>>was as small as 6.75m3 - I could be wrong.)<BR>
>><BR>
>>Nick<BR>
><BR>
>    I knew the grid is 1.5m x 1.5m in MegaTraveller and Classic Traveller<BR>
>but I was wrong about the volume, it's 9m or 4 x 1.5m according to Traders<BR>
>& Gunboats!<BR>
><BR>
All MT plans I've seen assume 1.5x3x3m per Td; that's 2 squares, each with<BR>
a 3m ceiling.<BR>
<BR>
All CT references I've found say 14m3, but deckplans use about 2 squares of<BR>
1.5x1.5 with 3m ceilings, and a little extra for the decks.<BR>
<BR>
TNE was 4 1x1x3.5m blocks per Td on official deckplans... really annoying<BR>
when trying to use Snapshot or AHL rules with them!<BR>
<BR>
For reference: Snapshot and AHL are CT products; they both use 1.5m squares<BR>
for movement rules. AHL is effectively Striker on a grid. Snapshot is Bk2<BR>
with action points and a grid.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
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533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
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pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:50:22 -0700<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@ctaz.com><BR>
Subject: Re: About TNE-RCES list <BR>
<BR>
> I can't seem to send to the TNE-RCES list this evening.  Does anyone<BR>
> know if there's a problem there?<BR>
> <BR>
> In case it helps, I get this error<BR>
> <BR>
> "<tne-rces@silent-tower.org>...Can not check MX records for<BR>
> recipient host silent-tower.org Please check the message recipients<BR>
> and try again."<BR>
<BR>
Seems to work for me.  I just posted there.<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
tc++ tm+ tn+ t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:03:12 -0700<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@ctaz.com><BR>
Subject: Re: random acts of sitcom <BR>
<BR>
> From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> > Worst and most vicious of all are the big hyena-like critters with <BR>
> >plant like protusions growing out of their shoulder blades and <BR>
> >cranium...<BR>
> > <BR>
> > yes...<BR>
> > <BR>
> > the justfiably dreaded Grassy Gnoll...<BR>
> <BR>
> Good one, I hadn't thought of the implications of my pun! ;)<BR>
<BR>
Mostly found on the planet Dallas, in search of its natural prey, a guy named <BR>
JR...<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
tc++ tm+ tn+ t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:19:22 -0500<BR>
From: "Craig Lytton" <polecat@ezwv.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
I'll ship it, how much does the job pay???<BR>
Can you pay us in Battle Dress???<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>                                   /\<BR>
>                                 /    \<BR>
>                               /        \<BR>
>                             /            \<BR>
>                           /                \<BR>
>                         /         *          \<BR>
>                       /         * *            \<BR>
>                     /         *   *              \<BR>
>                   /         *     *                \<BR>
>                 /\         *************            /\<BR>
>               /    \              *               /    \<BR>
>             /        \            *             /        \<BR>
>           /            \          *           /            \<BR>
>         /                \                  /                \<BR>
>       /           *        \              /        *           \<BR>
>     /           * *          \          /        * *             \<BR>
>   /           *   *            \      /        *   *               \<BR>
> /           *     *              \  /        *     *                 \<BR>
> \          *************          /\        *************            /<BR>
>   \               *             /    \             *               /<BR>
>     \             *           /        \           *             /<BR>
>       \           *         /            \         *           /<BR>
>         \                 /                \                 /<BR>
>           \             /    <explosive>     \             /<BR>
>             \         /                        \         /<BR>
>               \     /                            \     /<BR>
>                 \ /                                \ /<BR>
>                   \ <corrosive>      <biohazard>   /<BR>
>                     \                            /<BR>
>                       \                        /<BR>
>                         \     <radiation>    /<BR>
>                           \                /<BR>
>                             \            /<BR>
>                               \        /<BR>
>                                 \    /<BR>
>                                   \/<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> How's that for a cargo? <BR>
> <BR>
> -- <BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:27:35 -0500<BR>
From: "Craig Lytton" <polecat@ezwv.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
Sorry, CT flashback<BR>
<BR>
- -Craig<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: Craig Lytton <polecat@ezwv.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 11:19 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Passengers From Hell<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> I'll ship it, how much does the job pay???<BR>
> Can you pay us in Battle Dress???<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> >                                   /\<BR>
> >                                 /    \<BR>
> >                               /        \<BR>
> >                             /            \<BR>
> >                           /                \<BR>
> >                         /         *          \<BR>
> >                       /         * *            \<BR>
> >                     /         *   *              \<BR>
> >                   /         *     *                \<BR>
> >                 /\         *************            /\<BR>
> >               /    \              *               /    \<BR>
> >             /        \            *             /        \<BR>
> >           /            \          *           /            \<BR>
> >         /                \                  /                \<BR>
> >       /           *        \              /        *           \<BR>
> >     /           * *          \          /        * *             \<BR>
> >   /           *   *            \      /        *   *               \<BR>
> > /           *     *              \  /        *     *                 \<BR>
> > \          *************          /\        *************            /<BR>
> >   \               *             /    \             *               /<BR>
> >     \             *           /        \           *             /<BR>
> >       \           *         /            \         *           /<BR>
> >         \                 /                \                 /<BR>
> >           \             /    <explosive>     \             /<BR>
> >             \         /                        \         /<BR>
> >               \     /                            \     /<BR>
> >                 \ /                                \ /<BR>
> >                   \ <corrosive>      <biohazard>   /<BR>
> >                     \                            /<BR>
> >                       \                        /<BR>
> >                         \     <radiation>    /<BR>
> >                           \                /<BR>
> >                             \            /<BR>
> >                               \        /<BR>
> >                                 \    /<BR>
> >                                   \/<BR>
> > <BR>
> > <BR>
> > How's that for a cargo? <BR>
> > <BR>
> > -- <BR>
> > Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
> >  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> > leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
> > <BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
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